Negative Human Rights for a Positive Human Future

Definition of Negative Human Rights - i.e. the very foundation of the freedom part of the anti-fascist Universal Human Rights declaration of 1948.

Most people today are A(mono)theists, i.e. not "believing" in an impossible "one god"*. Such a "collective god" would mean equally many personal "gods" as there are believers/interpretors. "Monotheisms" are for racist/sexist movements - not for individuals. Human Rights are for individuals living among individuals with same rights.

Religion always means a total or partial reduction of some people's (e.g. women''s) Human Rights equality.

Being against A(mono)theism must be categorized as contempt of basic Human Rights equality because "monotheists" have doctrines which can't comply with basic Human Rights equality.
Klevius moral formula is a bedrock you can't beat:

1 There's no absolute and fixed moral in a dynamic society.

2 Therefor we have to repeatedly agree on a minimum moral and equality for all.

3 In doing so we are logically forced to approve of negative Human Rights, i.e. not to impose restrictions other than necessary in a democracy based on as much freedom as possible for all individuals - no matter of sex, race etc. And, for the truly dumb ones, do note that this definition excludes the freedom to restrict freedom.

* Though some people keep calling their own racist/sexist "interpretation" as "god's/allah's will").

Rule Britisharia Human Rightsphobia

Saudi induced muslim attack on UK Parliament. How many elsewhere? And what about Saudi/OIC's sharia

Saudi induced muslim attack on UK Parliament. How many elsewhere? And what about Saudi/OIC's sharia

Racist UK Government and BBC

Racist UK Government and BBC

UK's sharia ties to Saudi islamofascism threaten EU (and UK) security

UK's sharia ties to Saudi islamofascism threaten EU (and UK) security

Warning for BBC's faked "news" and support for Human Rights violating Saudi/OIC islamofascism

Warning for BBC's faked "news" and support for Human Rights violating Saudi/OIC islamofascism

Peter Klevius "islamophobia"/Human Rightsphobia test for you and your politicians

Sharia and weaponry keeps Brexit-UK in EU - with leaking borders and against the will of the people

Sharia and weaponry keeps Brexit-UK in EU - with leaking borders and against the will of the people

While EU closes internal borders it opens external ones.

While EU closes internal borders it opens external ones.

"Brits" who are racist against EU citizens but dare not criticize muslims - here's your passport.

"Brits" who are racist against EU citizens but dare not criticize muslims - here's your passport.

Welcoming UK's main security threat - and committing treason against the will of the people

Welcoming UK's main security threat - and committing treason against the will of the people

The ultimate treason against people in England, Ireland and Scotland

The ultimate treason against people in England, Ireland and Scotland

True Brits for the islamofascist Saudi dictator family and against Human Rights

Klevius: Face it, Wikipedia, BBC etc. fake media - Finland was first in the world with full suffrag

The network that reignited evil Human Rightsphobic sharia islam via al-Saud

Human Rightsphobe Jacob Rees-Mogg and BBC News crack jokes about Germans lacking humour

UK PM candidate Rees-Mogg: Germans needed Human Rights - we don't. Klevius: I really think you do.

Klevius "islamophobia" CV

Some basic facts to consider about Klevius* (except that he is both "extremely normal" and extremely intelligent - which fact, of course, would not put you off if you're really interested in these questions):

* Mentored by G. H. von Wright, Wittgenstein's successor at Cambridge.

1 Klevius' analysis of consciousness is the only one that fits what we know - after having eliminated our "pride" bias of being humans (which non-human would we impress, anyway?). Its starting point is described and exemplified in a commentary to Jurgen Habermas in Klevius book Demand for Resources (1992:30-33, ISBN 9173288411, based on an article by Klevius from 1981), and is further explained in a commentary to Francis Crick's book The Astonishing Hypothesis under the title The Even More Astonishing Hypothesis (EMAH), which can be found in Stalk's archive and which has been on line since 2003 for anyone to access/assess.

2 Klevius out of island/mainland fluctuating Southeast Asia Denisovans up to big skulled Siberians as the birth of much more intelligent modern humans who then spread all over the world, is the only analysis that fits both genetic reality as well as tool and art sophistication seen in e.g. the Denisova cave (no dude, Blombos etc. don’t come even close).

3 Klevius criticism of Human Rights violating sharia islamofascism (e.g. OIC) which is called "islamophobia" by islamofascists and their supporters who don't care about the most basic of Human Rights (e.g. re. women). Klevius' "islamophobia" has two roots: 1) UN's 1948 Universal Human Rights declaration, which, contrary to any form of muslim sharia, doesn't, for example, allow sex to be an excuse for robbing females of their full Human Rights equality, and 2) the history of the origin of islam ( e.g. Hugh Kennedy, Robert G. Hoyland, K. S. Lal etc.) which reveals a murderous, pillaging, robbing, enslaving and raping racist/sexist supremacist ideology that exactly follows precisely those basic islamic tenets which are now called "unislamic" but still survive today (as sharia approved sex slavery, sharia approved "liberation” jihad, academic jihad etc.) behind the sharia cover which is made even more impenetrable via the spread of islamic finance, mainly steered from the islamofascist Saudi dictator family.

4 Klevius analysis of sex segregation/apartheid (now deceptively called “gender segregation”) and heterosexual attraction - see e.g. Demand for Resources (1981/1992), Daughters of the Social State (1993), Angels of Antichrist (1996), Pathological Symbiosis (2003), or Klevius PhD research on heterosexual attraction/sex segregation and opposition to female footballers (published in book form soon).

Klevius 1979: Human Rights for girls/women rather than religion

Klevius 1979: Human Rights for girls/women rather than religion

BBC (imp)lies that 84% of the world is "monotheist" although most people are A(mono)theists

BBC (imp)lies that 84% of the world is "monotheist" although most people are A(mono)theists

Klevius can no longer distinguish between the techniques of BBC and Nazi propaganda - can you!

By squeezing in Atheist ideologies/philosophies as well as polytheisms under the super set BBC calls "religion", and by narrowing 'Atheism' to what it's not (Atheism is what it says on the tin - no god) they produced the extremely faked proposition that 84% of the world's population is "religious". Moreover, BBC also proudly claimed that the 84% figure is rising even more. Well, that's only by relying on those poor women in Pakistan, Bangladesh, English muslim ghettos (where most so called "British" women don't even speak English) etc., who still produce many more children than the average in the world. But Klevius doesn't think this abuse of girls/women is anything to cheer.

Racist Theresa May is robbing EU citizens of their Human Rights

Is Mrs Theresa May digging a miserable "British" sharia "empire" under the Brexit cliff?

Mrs May plays sharia with the islamofascist Saudi dictator family - skipping Human Rights. Right

This (via Saudi sharia finance) is the main threat to your Human Rights

This (via Saudi sharia finance) is the main threat to your Human Rights

Saudi muslim war criminal and Human-rightsophobe is loved by BBC

BBC, the world's biggest fake/selective news site - with an evil agenda

BBC, the world's biggest fake/selective news site  - with an evil agenda

BBC's compulsory fee funded propaganda for Saudi sharia islam

Support Klevius' Atheist anti-fascism against islamofascism

This is what BBC's muslim sharia presenter Mishal Husain "forgot" to report. Mishal grew up in the very same theocratic medieval dictatorship which now harbors and rules all muslims world organization OIC and its Human Rights violating sharia. While also spreading islamic hatred over the world through a variety of channels.

Klevius to dumb (or just evil) alt-left "antifa" people who support the worst of Human Rights violating evil:

True anti-fascism in its purest form is laid down in the Universal Human Rights declaration of 1948. Islam (OIC) has in UN decided to abandon the most basic of these rights (the so called negative Human Rights).

Fascism is, according to Google's top hit, "a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation*, and forcible suppression of opposition." 23 Aug 2017

So let's face islam with this definition.

A political philosophy, movement, or regime (islam) that exalts nation (Umma) and often race (muslims) above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government (Koran text/Mohammad's example) headed by a dictatorial leader (the caliph - e.g. the Saudi based OIC's Saudi leader), severe economic and social regimentation* (sharia), and forcible suppression of opposition (apostasy ban against muslims wanting to leave islam, and demonizing defenders of Human Rights by calling them "islamophobes").

And islamofascism gets away with it by calling itself a religion and thereby being protected by those very Human Rights it opposes.

* According to Cambridge dictionary, "extreme organization and control of people".

Is the islamofascist Saudi dictator "prince" Mohammad bin Salman the world's most dangerous man?

Is the islamofascist Saudi dictator "prince" Mohammad bin Salman the world's most dangerous man?
Is the islamofascist Saudi dictator "prince" Mohammad bin Salman the world's most dangerous man?

Saudi islamofascism attacks Buddhists - again and again - backed by Mrs May.

When will the world finally turn on the hateful Saudi dictator family - rather than on its victims?

The islamofascist Saudi dictator family spreading its islamist hate and losses while FEEding Lnd

The islamofascist Saudi dictator family spreading its islamist hate and losses while FEEding Lnd
The islamofascist Saudi dictator family spreading its islamist hate and losses over you

How an organization of islamic crimes (OIC) violates Human Rights

The Viking phenomenon started with bilingual Finns raiding/trading sex slaves to Abbasid (ca 750)

What is "islamophobia"?

Human Rights is diversity - sharia is the opposite

The evil of Sharia islam is what makes it incompatible with Negative Human Rights (i.e. why islamic OIC violates Human Rights by replacing them with Sharia, hence excluding women and non-muslims from equality). The evil of islam and its origin may be easier to grasp with historical examples, e.g. the Origin of Vikings.

It's racism and sexism even if proposed by a "god"! Klevius altruistic virtual volunteering for the world community in defense of Universal Human Rights . Yes, I know, it's unfair. Klevius vs islam, i.e. Universal Human Rights vs Sharia (OIC) racism/sexism! Of course Klevius will win. The question is just how long we should allow the dying beast to make people suffer. (Negative) Human Rights is not a ”Western” invention! It’s where you end up when you abandon racism and sexism, idiot! After you have abandoned islam! Your confused islamophilia and ignorance about Human Rights make YOU an accomplice to islam's crimes! Whereas Human Rights work as egalitarian and universal traffic rules (no matter who you are or what you drive you have the same rights as everyone else) islam/Sharia differs between muslim men and the rest (women and "infidels")!

Ask yourself, why can't racist islam (OIC) accept Human Rights? The answer reveals the difference between totalitarianism and freedom. And even if everyone converted to islam we'd still have Sharia sexism.
Have you noticed that when the history of slavery is (PC) debated islam is always excluded/excused? Atlantic slave trade and Roman slaves are eagerly mentioned while the world's by far worst, longest and most extensive one is blinked, as is the fact that islam not only sanctions slavery but is itself built on slavery and sex slavery (rapetivism)! The core idea of islam is the most thoroughly elaborated parasitism ever, i.e. what in 1400 yrs has made it the by far worst crime ever. But thanks to islamic teachings muslims are kept extremely ignorant about the evil origin of islam (institutionalized parasitism based on slave finance, rapetivism and pillage). Ohlig: The first two "islamic" centuries lie in the shadows of history. Klevius: There was no islam or islamic Mohammad (that's why the Saudis have levelled Mohammad's "grave" etc), only the evil murdering, pillaging and raping Aramaic-Arabic Jewish("Christian") led illiterate Arab thugs chasing for booty and sex. The "success" of this formula became later institutionalized and codified as a one way (Koran/Sharia) moral excuse (Allah) for further racist/sexist genocides. The bedrock and currency of this system was racist slavery. However, with Enlightenment the new idea of individual (negative) Human Rights emerged (incl. abolishing of slavery) and were, much later (1948), written down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights according to which everyone is equal no matter of sex, beliefs etc. Just like in traffic! But unlike traffic rules no one really seems to care about guarding our most precious asset as human beings. Instead racist sexist islamofascism (OIC and the Cairo Sharia declaration) is protected by Human Rights while they strive to undermine and eventually destroy these Human Rights! And most people don't seem to get it. Always remember, there is no islam without Human Rights violating racist/sexist Sharia. So a "vote" for Sharia-islam is AGAINST democracy and the freedom part of Human Rights!

Sayeeda Warsi (UK's non-elected OIC/Sharia politician) in essence doesn't differ from those muslim Saudi women who approve of sex slavery etc, other than that she is either ignorant or a traitor (against democracy and Human Rights) of the worst kind.

We're all born unequal - that's why we need Human Rights, not islam!

Audi then built by Jewish slaves - today dangerous quality problems

Myth vs Truth

Sunday, November 11, 2012

Muslim born OIC Fuhrer Ihsanoglu and US "president"/apostate(?!) Barakeh Hussain Obama Soetoro Dunham (or whatever) both support islamofascism and muslim atrocities against Buddhists

To understand Myanmar/Burma you need to understand islam itself and muslim atrocities against Buddhists and others (will the Afgan Buddha statues be restored before even the Pyramids are destroyed by muslims?)

A one way ideology boosted by jihadism

What's your tolerance for an ideology that doesn't tolerate other ideologies and which has the worst historical track record of any known ideology, approves of slavery and sex apartheid, and says it's the best for mankind while simultaneously declaring that Human Rights that don't fit the ideology constitute a crime? An ideology that says that children to its male members reproduced by up to four wives simultaneously automatically become involuntary members and the possession of the father but that abandoning the ideology is considered the worst of crimes.

The global muslim “fertility war” which is made possible by the aid of islam's most basic tenets and sex segregation is furthermore assisted by violent or non-violent jihad against non-muslims and women.

However, although slavery in general has been the historical staple resource (which fact hasn't been helpful in avoiding anti-semitism) the key element has always been sex slavery.

From the Jewish slaughter of Canaanites to the muslim slaughter of Jews

It all started with the deeply racist idea about "God's chosen people". And to really emphasize this racist approach this "God" had to be the only "true" god. "Monotheism" is an utter oxymoron but still popular because of its usefulness.

However, when the Jewish Vagina (via Jews believing in Jesus) turned into the muslim Penis it started a development that ended in less than 10 Million Jews and more than 1.5 Billion muslims.

Such an elaborate ideological tool for expansionism as islam is by most standards (such as e.g. Human Rights) to be considered evil. And this is why islam has to be protected from itself via hypocritical bigotry and self denial.

Sam Westrop: In 2011, the British Government's review of the PREVENT program, the state-funded counter-extremism initiative, declared that providing taxpayers' money to moderate Islamists in order to calm the "extreme" Islamists had not worked all that well. The Government's report noted that "there have been cases where groups whom we would now consider to support an extremist ideology have received funding." This came as no surprise to leading counter-extremism activists, who have long-warned about Islamist organizations taking advantage of Government funding for "interfaith" schemes – money and moral legitimacy to which extremists quickly sign-up in order to shroud their more nefarious activities.
In 2008, the Conservative MP Paul Goodman questioned the British government's support for the Lokahi Foundation, which runs a University interfaith project named Campusalam. Several hundred thousand pounds of taxpayers' money was given to the Foundation, which has previously associated itself with Muslim Brotherhood groups such as the Cordoba Foundation and IslamExpo. The Islamist academic Tariq Ramadan, whom the US has previously refused a visa, is on Lokahi's advisory board. The journalist Lee Smith has described Mr Ramadan – who has referred to the terrorist attacks of September 11th, Bali and Madrid as nothing more than "interventions" -- as a cold-blooded Islamist whose "cry of death to the West is a quieter and gentler jihad, but it's still jihad."
It is not just Government that is susceptible to exploitation. Rabbi Wittenberg, a prominent Jewish leader in Britain, recently defended his interfaith work with the East London Mosque and an interfaith group called London Citizens. The deputy chair of London Citizens is Junaid Ahmed, who has referred to senior Hamas terrorist Ismail Haniyeh as "our leader".
As for the East London Mosque, it is considered by many critics to be one of the most extreme religious institutions in Europe: one does not have to look far back through its events to find speakers who denounce women, Jews and homosexuals. Featured guests have included Sheikh Saad al-Beraik, who once stated:
"Muslim Brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. God made them yours. Why don't you enslave their women? Why don't you wage jihad? Why don't you pillage them?"
Wittenberg responded to criticism of his collaboration with these groups by opining, "We have to take risks to engage with each other. The Jewish community will be far weaker if we all shelter within a comfort zone labeled 'They all hate us out there'."

Klevius comment: This is what you get with the lack of a long overdue serious reflection about "monotheism".  Instead of floaters like Karen Armstrong and other women bowing "sacred" "god" ordered sexism, we need to put "god" himself on trial. 

Jews and muslims usually cooperated in slave rading/trading hence explaining occasions of "peaceful coexistence".

Circumcision is the oldest Jewish ritual and its sole purpose was to hinder masturbation and support rapetivism so that as many girls/women got pregnant as possible while the offspring stayed Jewish.

This is what Klevius wrote 2005:

Islam's genocide attempt and enslavement of the Romas
The Roma ancestors in India were enslaved and deported by islam some thousand years ago. One of the worst islamic slave raiders/traders, when it comes to Romas, being Mahmoud of Ghazna. But although this part of the Roma history is the most important one it is less known/talked about. Why is that? The stupid but widespread blinking of what islam really stands for!The deceptive illusion/projection of "a nice islam"
In Karen Armstrong's The History of God (1993 - the same year World Trade Center got its first Islamic terror attack!) nothing at all is said about the violent spreading and nature of islam (see battle/conquest timeline), although she spends 40 pages praising Mohammad and the Koran! This continuing tunnel vision is very typical for our time! Especially many women seem to appreciate the in-built sexism in islam, perhaps because it offers a convenient excuse for not daring to really step outside (allow others to step outside)a limiting sex segregation.

Islam has destroyed everything non-islamic in its way because islam lacks anything to show itself due to its empty history

There never was any grave of Mohammed etc. That's why the Saudis have deliberately erased all traces of non-existing islamic "remains" and instead focused on the pagan Kaaba as the idol of the world's muslims combined with the Mina hate mongering stones.

By confusing islam with other forms of monotheist religions that aren't political ideologies islam has been able to get protection from Human Rights it hates and laws it wants to replace with Sharia.

The history of muslims in Myanmar is equally bloody and intrusive as in India and elsewhere

Suu Kyi has remained cautiously silent on the Rohingya muslims.Could the explanation be that the media picture presented is quite the opposite to the real problem, namely islam?

Some 80 to 90 died in recent clashes after a long period of muslim atrocities (including rapes) against Buddhists. Rohingyas launched the June 8 riot after their Friday prayer.

Evil racist/sexist islam is the root problem - applauded by islamofascist OIC and its Fuhrer Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu

The root problem started with Arab slave raiders/traders some 1300 years ago (Dear reader, please educate yourself about the incomprehensible muslim atrocities in India/Bengali etc).

However, a more recent root is to be found when in 1946 (i.e. after the 1942 massacres committed by muslims) Bengalis requested self-rule under Sharia and wanted the area they occupied to belong to Pakistan.

In the last two years muslims have tried to chase Arakanese away from town in their own country by traumatizing them with a series of attack on Arakanese villages, not to mention gang rape and murder. Eventually Muslims launched the riot on June 8, 2012 when Arakanese people finally stood up and punished the rapists.

According to Mr.Kaiser, the Bangladesh Ambassador to Burma , in 1975 "there were upward of ½ million Bangalee trespassers in Arakan" and that the Burmese government had "some right" to eject over 500,000 "Bangalee trespassers" as the Ambassador described them - not "Rohingyas". Mr Kaiser subsequently became Bangladesh Ambassador to the UN and was Chairman of the UN Security Council for October 1979.

1984 the Citizenship Act was enacted with the aim to protect national security as the country is situated next to the world's most populous countries.

"Buthidaung, Burma : Some remote Buddhist villages in southern Buthidaung Township, 80 miles north of Sittwe, are under threat of damage due to the rampant Muslim robbers in the area, report local people widely.

A villager in Kwe Gomaw Village said, "The authority is not protecting our village right now. So many families are thinking of moving to more safe places like downtown Buthidaung, where many army battalions are stationed."

The village of Kwe Gomaw is located near Nyung Chaung Nasaka outpost in southern Buthidaung Township, and the village was hit by dacoits (muslim bandits) on 1 January, 2011.

"At 12 pm on 1 January, around 30 armed Muslim robbers surrounded our village. After that the robbers entered our village and robbed property from all the houses one by one. When a villager refused to give over his property, a robber beat him with his gun and injured his head. Properties worth 3 million kyat were taken by the robbers," the villager said.

After the robbers left the village, they hit another Buddhist village in the area, Thein Daung Byint, where many people of the Dynet tribes are living.

During the second attack, the village chairman's wife was severely wounded when some of the robbers opened fire on villagers who were trying to fight back against them. The woman is now hospitalized in Buthidaung in critical condition, although her condition is improving.

A villager from Thein Daung Byint said, "We are now afraid to live in our village because we have no safety, despite that our village is located in inner Buthidaung Township, not in the border area. Moreover, when we informed the Nasaka officers about the robber, the officers beat us because were unable to defend ourselves against the robbers. Now we are facing many difficulties living in our village."

During December, 2010, a large robbery also took place in Shwet Bying Village under Zaydi Bying circle in Rathidaung Township. The villagers lost 30 million kyat of property. The robbery was also committed by a group of armed Muslim dacoits.

The Muslim robbers have never robbed any Muslim villages in the area, having so far only struck Buddhist villages in Buthidaung Township. Because of this, many ordinary citizens, including those in the Muslim community, are anxious that the robberies might foment conflict and lead to riots among the people in the area."

They looked like East Indians, dressed like East Indians, were Muslims, did not speak the same language and did not assimilate with the locals who were Buddhists. This failure to assimilate or even dress similarly persists today and is a root cause of the problem, as it is in many places with Muslim people. They act like a state within a state,

In 1942 there was a Muslim uprising, followed by a lot of killing back and forth. In 1947 the “Bengali-Muslims’ Mujahid Insurgen-cy” as it is called by the Burmese, started after the central government refused to grant a separate Muslim state in Rakhine Pro-vence. Being better armed with WWII surplus, the Muslims killed many Burmese and destroyed villages in the north of the Pro-vence, near Bengal.

Martial Law was declared in 1948. During the uprising some of the Muslims flew the Pakistani flag and attempted to separate the northern provinces from Burma. The matter finally came to a head when some British government officials were murdered and the Burma Rifles were sent in. They decimated the Bengalis in combat.

To add sauce, the current Rohingya (Mujahid) political party was founded by elders who supported Burma jihad and separation ef-fort in 1947, which is hardly reassuring to the Burmese. Further-more, notwithstanding their defeat in 1948, a militant group auda-ciously continued calling themselves "Mujahids."

Myanmar does not recognize them as citizens or one of the 135 recognized ethnic groups living in the country. Much of this is rooted in their heritage in East Bengal, now called Bangladesh. Though many Rohingya have only known life in Myanmar, they are viewed by Rakhine's estimated three million Buddhists as intruders from across the border.

According to Human Rights Watch, the country's laws discriminate against the Rohingya, infringing on their rights to freedom of movement, education, and employment. They are denied land and property rights and ownership. The land on which they live can be taken away at any given time.
HRW has also accused security forces of opening fire on the Rohingya population during the recent wave of violence -- an accusation denied by the government.

What are the authorities doing?

In August, Myanmar's president, Thein Sein, announced that an internal commission, including representatives from different political parties and religious organizations, had been formed to investigate the recent sectarian violence -- a move welcomed by United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.
"This commission is comprised of a representative cross-section of national figures in the country," Ban said in a statement. "It could make important contributions to restoring peace and harmony in the state and in creating a conducive environment for a more inclusive way forward to tackle the underlying causes of the violence, including the condition of the Muslim communities in Rakhine."

President Sein discussed the situation with Ban during the U.N. General Assembly in New York in September, pledging to "address the root causes of the tensions," according to a U.N. spokesman.

The move followed Sein's warning in June that the ongoing ethnic strife could harm Myanmar's development and stability as it continues its rehabilitation as a fledgling democracy.

What is the world saying?

Tomas Quintana, the U.N.'s human rights rapporteur for Myanmar, in August called for an independent investigation into allegations that authorities are using excessive force and committing other human rights violations while trying to restore order in Rakhine state.

Quintana said such an investigation was needed to guarantee accountability.
"Reconciliation will not be possible without this, and exaggerations and distortions will fill the vacuum to further fuel distrust and tensions between communities," he said.

Thousands of Rohingya have attempted to flee the unrest, with neighboring Bangladesh the main destination. But many have been turned away by the authorities.

Bangladesh has reinforced its border, amassing troops and security officials along the River Naf, which provides a natural boundary between the two countries, where rickety fishing boats filled with refugees attempt to cross over.
In June, Bangladeshi Foreign Minister Dipu Moni said her country was not willing to give shelter to anymore refugees, despite international calls to open its borders. "We're already burdened with thousands of Rohingya refugees staying in Bangladesh and we don't want anymore," she said.

Human Rights Watch says tens of thousands of Rohingya refugees are currently staying in makeshift camps in Bangladesh, with many living in conditions that seasoned aid workers have described as "the worst they have ever seen."
According to the rights group, the inhabitants face overcrowding, shortages of food leading to widespread malnourishment among the children, a lack of clean water and sanitation resulting in disease, and restrictions on movement coupled with extortion and human rights abuses.

Other comments

11/5/2012 8:23 PM EST
They remained active in several areas, trying to wrest northern Rakhine townships from Burma and become part of Pakistan. So, the matter of insurrection never quite went away.

Matters were finally brought to a head by the increasing Islamifi-cation of a few Roihynga, furthering the gap between the two cul-tures. Since matters were always sensitive, it did not take many bad apples to spoil everything and in a population of maybe 700,000 there were the inevitable hot-heads.

Many Rakhine Burmese believe there is a plan is to “convert us all to Islam and take over Rakhine.” There have been attacks on the Buddhists, forced conversions of some of their women, threats and attempts to expand Islamic influence, unsettlingly similar to what happened in the late 1940s. Some accuse Saudi fundamentalists of arming the region’s newly politicized Islamists to inspire jihad. Others accuse aide organizations of taking money from the Saudis and therefore are biased against the Buddhists. And of course the Roihynga have many similar claims of mistreatment and injustice.

The Rohingya seem to be the victim in this matter and clearly they are the ones currently persecuted. But a strong sympathetic case can be also be made for the native residents of Rakhine Provence, who are poor and had to endure virtually unrestricted illegal immigration of hundreds of thousands, approaching a million even poorer people from Bengal and endure several uprisings and jihad. The huge population increase of the Muslims has exacerbated the situation. As you can see, this problem and its roots are complex but the hatred and vehemence are strangely reminiscent of the Israeli-Palestine conflict.

It is easy for armchair diplomats to make accusations one way or the other but placing blame now is clearly a matter of opinion, not fact. In this case (as is so often the case) there is plenty of blame to go around and no good solution in sight. Neighboring Bangla-desh has refugees up to the eyeballs and will take no more. There is no place for the Roihynga to go and it is unlikely that they can ever return to their homes. Of course the very worst of all the bad choices would be jihad.

11/5/2012 8:22 PM EST
The article is the view of a Pakistani and as is so often the case the oppressed Muslims are shrouded in the mantel of the belligerent victim--but the root causes of the problem are not really addressed.

My first experience in the area of West Burma began in 2003 when I went there for WHO to administer TB tests. Coming from Thailand, it was graphic how decidedly poorer the people in W Burma were compared to Thailand. From the first I could see that the Roihynga were a distinct group, which dressed and looked different from the native Burmese.

The Rohingya have immigrated from Bengal, SW India, later called East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, for at least 150 years and this was made easy by lack of border enforcement. Originally called "Bengali-Muslims", the name "Rohingya" came from antiquity and was adopted about 1960 as a way of identifying themselves as an ethnic group rather than immigrants.

Who is a citizen is at this point quite impossible to say. Burma is a country that does not confer automatic citizenship on people borne of immigrants and the Burmese do not accept Roihybnga as citizens.

This attitude about citizenship may be in conflict with western standards but most Muslim countries and some others also do not confer citizenship automatically upon birth. A 1984 law formally excluded the Rohingya as one of the country's 135 ethnicities, meaning most are denied basic civil rights and are not recognized as citizens.

One might say the Bengalis were "invited" into Burma by lack of border enforcement, but things never went well from the start. They looked like East Indians, dressed like East Indians, were Muslims, did not speak the same language and did not assimilate with the locals who were Buddhists. This failure to assimilate or even dress similarly persists today and is a root cause of the problem, as it is in many places with Muslim people. They act like a state within a state,





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