Human Rights vs "alternative rights"
The Saudis use islamofascism exactly as it was used from its origin. And Western politicians rather turn against their own citizens accusing them for "not being conducive to the interest of their country and its "important ally". Most attacks against US and UK (incl. against their citizens) can be tracked back to the islamofascist Saudi dictator family - as can a variety of islamic terrorist organizations (Boko Haram , Islamic State, al-Qaeda etc. etc.). However, the most insidious threat comes from Saudi based and steered OIC and its sharia (for the moment toned down in UN rhetoric, but nonetheless equally potent under the surface). OIC's main purpose seems to be silencing (and even criminalizing) criticism of Human Rights violations.Klevius, the proud "islamophobe" defending the most basic of Human Rights, is closely related to a bird called Phoenix.
Three years ago someone (a muslim?) at Google deleted one of Klevius basic Human Rights defending blogs. However, Klevius immediately created a new and filled it with, if possible, even more critical writing against the dark fascistic powers threatening the free world just some 70 years after we defeated fascism the last time - and produced the revolutionary Universal Human Rights Declaration (1948) against totalitarian fascistic ideologies. However, it also, for the first time ever, offered all the world's women equality with men.
Article 2: Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
However, this article is impossible in islam - that's why Saudi based and steered OIC came up with "alternative" islamic "human rights" (i.e. sharia).
Whereas a sane and civilized person would think that Human Rights freedom for everyone to lead their lives as they wish would suffice, islam thinks differently and instead for freedom wants impositions (especially against women and other non-muslims). And as Klevius has repeatedly said since 9/11: Human Rights allows sharia but sharia doesn't allow Human Rights.
What would John Peters Humphrey have thought about Canada today?
Klevius wrote:
Wednesday, April 23, 2014
Hello Eric Schmidt! Is Google's censor policy steered by anti Human Rights muslims? Will Dante, Churchill, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Klevius and others now be banned so Google can continue protecting the worst ideological crime history knows about?!
Someone at Google is deleting Klevius' Human Rights defending blogs! Is Eric Schmidt aware of it?!
John Peters Humphrey is the last prophet of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights - and he's defamed by Humanrightsphobics - yet all the Billions of Atheist followers take it calmly
John Peters Humphrey (who actually existed and who wasn't a pedophile or a murderous scumbag or a fanatic warlord or a terrorist) wrote the first draft of the Universal Human Rights Declaration (peace be upon him and Human Rights). Here's part of his profound and sacred original revelations:
"Subject to the laws governing slander and libel there shall be full freedom of speech and of expression by any means whatsoever, and there shall be reasonable access to all channels of communication. Censorship shall not be permitted"
Klevius comment: By 'libel' and 'slander' John Peters Humphrey of course meant something directed to an existing individual, not a totalitarian ideology!
Human Rights and islam are irreconcilable: Klevius knows it, OIC knows it - how come that Google doesn't know it?
The Saudis already banned Human Rights as terrorism - is Google now nicely following its islamofascist Saudi masters?
Nowhere on the web (or anywhere else for that matter) can you find Klevius uttering anything even close to racism or sexism or so called "hate speech" - precisely the contrary - namely a defense for everyone's (incl. muslims) Human Rights against Sharia and other forms of fascisms! Unless, of course, Google complies with Saudi islamofascists according to whom Human Rights is equalized with terrorism and therefore banned by the 'guardians of islam'.
Where are these creepy bastards at Google hiding - and how do we make them visible and responsible?
This is what a "team" at Google wrote to Klevius when deleting Klevius' blog Origin of the Vikings (which contains the same material as do all the other blogs and web sites by Klevius):
'Hate'!? As Klevius doesn't 'hate'*, then it must be the muslims' own hatred via islam and exposed in Klevius' defense for Human Rights that is the problem!
And we have already seen this strange logic in the defense of muslim islamofascism. If muslims get "offended" and aggressive because of Human Rights, then this aggression is blamed on Human Rights, not islam! Much like if in traffic you meet someone driving in the wrong direction on your lane you should be blamed for criticizing her/him for doing it (or just reporting about her/him doing it). Moreover, it would also be claimed that the reckless
Klevius questions: Who are these "reviewers" at Google anyway; who controls them; how do you face them with their own ignorance(?) or deliberate evilness. Does Google use muslim imams for assessing what should be allowed to say about islam?! Or is this really what Google and Eric Schmidt stand for?!
Eric Schmidt (Google chairman speaking in Hong Kong): 'Google believes very strongly in a free internet. The mainland (China) just passed the law about the 500-reposts thing. Then you will definitely think about it before you write. It's a problem, (it) means your voice is not fully heard.'
Klevius: Really?
Winston Churchill (who defended UK against German fascism in WW2): "How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the
Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan
law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as
a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the
faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion
paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde
force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step, and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it (Islam) has vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: is very critical of the position of women in Islamic societies and the punishments demanded by Islamic scholars for homosexuality and adultery. She considered herself a Muslim until 28 May 2002, when she became an atheist. In an interview with the Swiss magazine Das Magazin in September 2006, she said she lost her faith while sitting in an Italian restaurant in May 2002, drinking a glass of wine: "...I asked myself: Why should I burn in hell just because I'm drinking this? But what prompted me even more was the fact that the killers of 9/11 all believed in the same God I believed in." She has described Islam as a "backward religion", incompatible with democracy. In one segment on the Dutch current affairs program Nova, she challenged pupils of an Islamic primary school to choose between the Qur'an and the Dutch constitution.
In an interview in the London Evening Standard, Hirsi Ali characterizes Islam as "the new fascism": "Just like Nazism started with Hitler's vision, the Islamic vision is a caliphate — a society ruled by Sharia law – in which women who have sex before marriage are stoned to death, homosexuals are beaten, and apostates like me are killed. Sharia law is as inimical to liberal democracy as Nazism." In this interview, she also made it clear that in her opinion it is not "a fringe group of radical Muslims who've hijacked Islam and that the majority of Muslims are moderate. [...] Violence is inherent in Islam – it's a destructive, nihilistic cult of death. It legitimates murder."
Hirsi Ali stated that she was also "not a Muslim" as she had lost the fear of the Qur'an and of Hell and lost respect for "its author" and messenger; and that she felt a "common humanity" with those she once "shunned", such as Jews, Christians, atheists, gays, and sinners "of all stripes and colours."
In the magazine Reason, Ayaan Hirsi Ali stated that not just 'radical Islam' but 'Islam' must be defeated. She stated: "Islam, period. Once it’s defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It’s very difficult to even talk about peace now. They’re not interested in peace."
Hirsi Ali criticises Islam's "prophet" Muhammad on the grounds of both his morality and personality. In January 2003 she told the Dutch paper Trouw, "Muhammad is, seen by our Western standards, a pervert", as he married, at the age of 53, Aisha, who was six years old and nine at the time the marriage was consummated. This led to a lawsuit by a number of Muslims in 2005. The civil court in The Hague acquitted Hirsi Ali of any charges.
She also has stated her opinions about Muhammad's personality: "Measured by our western standards, Muhammad is a pervert. He is against freedom of expression. If you don't do as he says, you will be punished. It makes me think of all those megalomaniacs in the Middle East: Bin Laden, Khomeini, Saddam (didn't she mention the Saudis?!). Do you think it strange that there is a Saddam Hussein? Muhammad is his example. Muhammad is an example for all Muslim men. Do you think it strange that so many Muslim men are violent?" In a 2003 interview with the Danish magazine Sappho, she explains parallels she sees between the personality of Yasser Arafat and that of Muhammad.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali opposes not just the genital mutilation of girls, but also the practice of circumcision of boys as practiced by Jews and Muslims, as well as the routine infant circumcision practiced in the United States. In her autobiography, Infidel, she writes: "Excision doesn't remove your desire or ability to enjoy sexual pleasure. The excision of women is cruel on many levels. It is physically cruel and painful; it sets girls up for a lifetime of suffering. And it is not even effective in its intent to remove their desire."
A quotation from her on the subject: "girls dying in child birth because they are too young [...] The rise of radical Islam is an important part of this. I feel I have the moral obligation to discuss the source."
When in Dutch parliament, she proposed obligatory annual medical checks for all uncircumcised girls originating from a country where female mutilation is practiced. If a girl turned out to have been circumcised, the physician would report this to the police, with protection of the child prevailing over privacy.
Freedom of speech
In a 2006 lecture in Berlin, she condemnded the right to claim someone else's dislike or criticism as an offence against muslims or islam, following the muskim riots after Jyllands-Posten's Muhammad cartoons. She condemned the journalists of those papers and TV channels that did not show their readers the cartoons as being "mediocre of mind" and of trying to hide behind those "noble-sounding terms such as 'responsibility' and 'sensitivity'". She also praised publishers all over Europe for showing the cartoons and not being afraid of the "hard-line Islamist movement", and stated "I do not seek to offend religious sentiment, but I will not submit to tyranny. Demanding that people should refrain from drawing him is not a request for respect but a demand for submission."
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Wednesday, January 01, 2014
Support Peter Klevius campaign for Universal Human Rights!
Human Rights are above politics, ideologies etc. Human Rights are for you! If you want them you better apply now before they are sold out!
By supporting Peter Klevius' campaign for Human Rights - and therefore against OIC and islam - you save millions of children and adults from continuous suffering, and make their future possibilities a little brighter. Negative rights for a positive future. 'Negative rights' are those rights of the individual which defend us against impositions (similar as traffic rules).
Peter Klevius intellectual defense for everyone's Human Rights works on two levels:
1 Keeping up a constant intellectual pressure on "reforming" islam. Of course islam can never be truly reformed so what this simply means is that islam is made, little by little, less islamic.
2 Counteracting the widespread misinformation about islam and muslims, hence avoiding naive and ignorant people from falling pray to islam and muslims - while simultaneously exposing those who deliberately approve of islam's Human Rights violating Sharia already voted through in UN by the help of OIC's more than notorious islamofascist voting bloc and some additional traitors.
In John Peters Humprey's (pbuh) world view "infidels" didn't exist
John Peters Humphrey (peace be upon him and Human Rights) is the last prophet of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights - and he is utterly defamated by muslim Humanrightsophobes - yet all the Billions of Human Rights followers take it (too?) calmly.
John Peters Humphrey (who actually existed and who wasn't a pedophile or a murderous scumbag or a fanatic warlord or a terrorist) wrote the first draft of the Universal Human Rights Declaration (peace be upon him and Human Rights).
So what is modern islamofascism?
The main purpose of OIC is to gather all the world's muslims under a worldwide Umma that is protected from Human Rights criticism. And for that purpose OIC (ab)uses UN, and in an extension, via UN tries to implement national laws all over the world that not only keep islam out of scrutiny but even makes criticism of islam a crime! This lobbying is going on all the time with weak and vulnerable and/or just traitor politicians while most of the people are kept in deep ignorance about islam through extremely Saudi biased education and the threats of being accused of racism or "islamophobia".
And no, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's all to be found in UN's official documents and on the web.
And no, it's not the question of some "minor adjustments". No, this is big and OIC's own actions (e.g. officially abandoning some of the most basic Human Rights) in the UN easily proves Klevius right on this point.
And basically it's all about sanctioning islamic racism and sexism, i.e. the very original pillars that in the first place made islam attractive for the lowest of human behavior!
Sunday, August 25, 2013
Klevius Human Rights tutorial for ignorant muslims and their supporters
The evilness of islam explained in simple English
There are no Human Rights in islam - only islamic "human rights" (Sharia)
Because islamofascists and their supporters lack any credible argument in favor of islam, but 1,400 years of historical evidence* for the very opposite, they have to use the lowest of means to blur the picture of the evil medieval slave Leviathan. So, for example, are those who dare to criticize this pure evilness* Not to mention the extremely obscure origin of islam. According to Britain's (and the world's - after Klevius) foremost islam researcher when it comes to its extremely violent early stages, Hugh Kennedy, "Before Abd al-Malik (caliph 685-705) Mohammed (allegedly dead 632) is never mentioned on any official document whatsoever".
The main reason that Klevius considers himself the world's foremost expert on the origin of islam is that he (sadly) still happens to be the world's foremost expert on sex segregation/apartheid, i.e. what constitutes the basis for rapetivism and islam's survival (and which is the main reason OIC abandoned Human Rights in UN and replaced them with islamofascist Sharia).
Only truly pious (so called "extremist") muslims are truly evil. However, all non-extremist (secularized) "muslims" aren't necessarily good either if they knowingly use the evilness of islam for their own satisfaction. Only ignorant "muslims" can be excused.
While contemplating the pic below, do consider the inevitable fact that islam (in any meaningful form) doesn't approve of our most basic universal Human Rights! That's the main pillar of the problem, dude!
So those muslims who don't fit in either category need to face Erdogan, OIC and Human Rights violating Sharia - or admit they are no real muslims.
Klevius comment: I for one cannot see the slightest space for political islam in a democratic society based on the belief in Human Rights. Can you?
Introduction
What is religion?
First of all, being religious is an exception. The average world citizen doesn't believe in the Judeo-Christian/islamic "god"*. And the reason we hear so much about "religion" is the same as after 9/11, namely its bad consequences.
* The belief in a "creator" presumes a "creation". Or, in other words, the creation of a "creator" necessitates "creation". However, outside "monotheistic" mythology, the most common view is and has always been, as pointed out by Klevius (1992) that there has always been something from which later shapes emerge (just like Eve emerged out of Adam). However, the main point of "monotheisms" has from scratch been racism and sexism, i.e. in opposition to the enlightened view of every human's equal right no matter of sex etc., (just as we have it in traffic).
Based on historical and contemporary evidence, religion - if with this word we mean Judaism (the chosen people) and its branch Christianity and its tail branch islam - is certainly not " community cohesion" but rather "community confusion" when mirrored against the main idea of Human Rights.
There are three main reasons for people to become religious:
1 They are born into a religion, and if they are muslims it's considered the gravest of crimes (apostasy) to leave islam.
2 A religious person feels a need to defend actions s/he cannot logically approve of without the aid of a "god".
3 A religious person feels a need for forgiveness, and due to the above (2) an other human won't do because s/he might use logic. "God", however, can always be excused by arguing that no human can understand "god's" decisions/actions.
From a sociological point of view the reason why the above (2) problem even arises in the first place is because of a lack of continuous updating of crucial and basic relations. This in turn happens when families etc. are scattered in time and space due to work, school, separate activities etc. and when the lack of updating causes misunderstandings/opportunities that are misused for personal gains.
Adding to religious confusion is its deliberate sex apartheid which also stays in direct opposition to the Human Rights view that one's sex ought not to be used as an excuse for altering or denying rights.
However, by sticking to honest logic and a Human Rights philosophy (equality) all of this can easily be avoided.
Life´s a passionate faith in a project of uncertainty whereas e.g. Islam is godless (Koran is "god's" words and the final reporter is dead) misuse of power and life denial. Arbitrarily giving away parts of your life to a "god" outside the world is partial suicide (and in Islam's case also feeds earthly totalitarianism/fascism/racism/sexism)! (for more read Klevius definition of religion)
Is she Sharia compliant?
If she is Sharia compliant then she lacks Human Rights precisely based on the same logic that made OIC introduce the so called 'Cairo declaration on human rights in islam' (Sharia) which now, via UN, constitutes the framework for everyone wanting to call him/herself a muslim and, as a consequence, a Human Rightsophobe.
Turkish Human Rightsophobic conference wants to discuss how to censor media and make criticism of islam a crime all over the world
This fanatic* muslim (now replaced by an extremely intolerant Saudi islamofascist, Iyad Madani) and his muslim world organization (OIC) is the most dangerous threat to Human Rights
* who dreams about a Turk led muslim world empire under Sharia, just as Hitler dreamed about a Grossdeutschland. And who blinks the miserable failures of the Turk led Ottoman slave empire which fell in the deepest decay after West had abolished slavery for good.
Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu, the Egyptian born Turkish Fuhrer of OIC (based in Saudi Arabia) will make the opening
speeches of the
“International Conference on Islamophobia: Law and Media” to take
place in Istanbul on Sept. 12 and 13, along with Directory General of
Directorate General of Press and Information Murat Karakaya and
Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Arınç. Other islamofascism supporting Human Rightsophobic speakers include
John L. Esposito, Norman Gary
Finkelstein, Marwan Mohammed, Nathan Lean, Saied Reza Ameli, Halim
Rane, Stephen Sheehi and Ibrahim Salama.
Klevius clarifying comment: Recent internal Turkish criticism against Ihsanoglu is due to the split between Ottomans and Arabs. Ihsanoglu is half Arab and loyal to the Saudis who wanted Muslim Brotherhood erased. That's why he kept silent when the Egyptian army killed the brothers.
Common Misconception about Basic Human Rights and islam/Sharia
It seems that no matter what the
ideology of islam causes, it's never islam if the consequences are
unwanted (Klevius 2001).
Islam sneaked in on an oiled
post-colonialist commerce sold to the public as a combination of
“guilt”, ”compassion” and negative “white middle age man”*
rhetoric. Of course
* The concept of the “white middle
age man” has always been popular, not only among feminists, young
“revolutionaries” and “colored middle age men”, but also
among the “white middle age men” themselves because by
criticizing the “white middle age man” one lifts oneself above
one's own category, much like “true muslims” do compared to
“secularized muslims” (or vise versa).
OIC's Cairo declaration and Egypt's constitution
Zaid
Al-Ali is a senior advisor on constitution building at International
IDEA: The proposed changes (of Egypt's constitution) will not have any impact in the
immediate term on the way in which Egyptians live their lives, but
they remove a tool that hard-line Islamists might have tried to use
in the future to impose a harsher vision of society. It is worth
noting however that the technical committee maintained article 2,
which imposes the principles of Islamic sharia as the main source of
legislation in the country. It also kept the distinction that was
first introduced in 2012 between "heavenly religions"
(Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) and the rest, whose right to
practice rituals is curbed. The technical committee also proposed to
reestablish the ban on religious parties, but also indicated that
political parties cannot "undermine public order," an
incredibly vague term that is subject to abuse (article 54).
In terms of women's rights, the 1971 and the 2012 constitutions were both not particularly generous. They both included vague references to morality, to traditional family values, and to women's "obligations towards family and society." The technical committee, which was dominated by men, has essentially maintained the same wording and the same principles in relation to this issue. Women are therefore equal to men within the limits of Islamic sharia, the state is still responsible for protecting the "original values of Egyptian families" (article 10), and the state will also still provide assistance to women to satisfy their "obligations towards family and society" (article 11). This is precisely the wording that caused so many liberals to denounce the Muslim Brotherhood-led process in 2012.
Peter Klevius: "The state will provide assistance to women to satisfy
their obligations towards family and society" (article 11
Egypt const.). Ugly sexism wrapped in nice wording.
Women are equal to men ONLY “within the limits of Islamic sharia” because they have "obligations towards family and society" (article 11 Egypt const.).
"Heavenly religions"*
(Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) and the rest (article 2 Egypt
const.). A triple stage racism similar to when black supremacist racists
in Nation of islam divide the world in the good blacks, the inferior
non-blacks, and the evil whites.
* However, apart from the racist fact
that people who don't want to belong to the "heavenly religions"
are deemed less worthy, among the "heavenly religions"
islam is always the “only true religion” because the other
"heavenly religions" have got it all wrong. This fact must certainly be
connected to the problems Jews and Christians continuously face in
muslim countries and even elsewhere - compare e.g. the horrifying case
of Malmö in Sweden. The Swedish newspaper Skånska Dagbladet reported
that attacks on Jews in Malmo totaled 79 in 2009, about twice as many as
the previous year, according to police statistics. In March 2010,
Fredrik Sieradzk of the Jewish community of Malmö told Die Presse, an
Austrian Internet publication, that Jews are being "harassed and
physically attacked" by "people from the Middle East. In December 2010,
the Jewish human rights organization Simon Wiesenthal Center issued a
travel advisory concerning Sweden, advising Jews to express "extreme
caution" when visiting the southern parts of the country due to an
increase in verbal and physical harassment of Jewish citizens in the
city of Malmö. And so on. See more on Wikipedia
and do note the usual "only a small number of muslims are jihadists"
but never "an even much smaller proportion of Swedes are Nazis".
Moreover, all Swedes are Swedes whereas all muslims aren't necessarily
pious muslims at all, which fact alters the proportionality even more.
Whereas Human Rights allow you to lead your life as you wish without necessitating others to do so, Sharia does the opposite
So why do you suffer from such a grave form of Human Rightsophobia? Why do you want all other women to be restricted just because you yourself want to be restricted?! What disturbs you so much that you want to impose your way of life on others - or, alternatively, in a racist manner despise them?
ARTICLE
6 in OIC's Cairo declaration:
(a) Woman is equal to man in human dignity, and has
rights to enjoy as well as duties to perform; she has her own civil
entity and financial independence, and the right to retain her name
and lineage.
(b) The husband is responsible for the support and welfare of the family.
(b) The husband is responsible for the support and welfare of the family.
ARTICLE 7:
(a) As of the moment of birth, every child has rights due from the parents, society and the state to be accorded proper nursing, education and material, hygienic and moral care. Both the fetus and the mother must be protected and accorded special care.
(b) Parents and those in such like capacity have the right to choose the type of education they desire for their children, provided they take into consideration the interest and future of the children in accordance with ethical values and the principles of the Shari'ah
ARTICLE
22 in OIC's Cairo declaration:
(a) Everyone shall have the right to express his opinion
freely in such manner as would not be contrary to the principles of
the Shari'ah.
(b) Everyone shall have the right to advocate what is right, and propagate what is good, and warn against what is wrong and evil according to the norms of Islamic Shari'ah
(c) Information is a vital necessity to society. It may not be exploited or misused in such a way as may violate sanctities and the dignity of Prophets, undermine moral and ethical values or disintegrate, corrupt or harm society or weaken its faith.
(b) Everyone shall have the right to advocate what is right, and propagate what is good, and warn against what is wrong and evil according to the norms of Islamic Shari'ah
(c) Information is a vital necessity to society. It may not be exploited or misused in such a way as may violate sanctities and the dignity of Prophets, undermine moral and ethical values or disintegrate, corrupt or harm society or weaken its faith.
Two too common islamofascist statements supported by Saudi based OIC (all muslims world organization) and its Sharia declaration (also called Cairo declaration on human rights in islam):
1 The modern democracies of today have
not yet attained what the Faith of Islam ordained fourteen and half
centuries ago.
Peter Klevius: Very pleased to hear
that. And I truly hope they never will.
2 Islam allows complete freedom of
though and expression, provided that it does not involve spreading
that which is harmful to individuals and the society at large. For
example, the use of abusive or offensive language in the name of
criticism is not allowed.
Peter Klevius: Criticism of islam is,
according to OIC's Sharia, ALWAYS abusive and offensive no matter how
it's worded!
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig's (a supporter
of islamofascist Sharia) presentation of islamic "human rights"
(i.e. Sharia) offers a wonderful opportunity for Peter Klevius to
really point out how islam (Sharia) is diametrically opposite the
real Human Rights (also called Negative Human Rights because of its
lack of positive impositions in basic rights):
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig: Though the
influence of political motives, rivalries, and deliberations has made
complicated the correct formulation of this problem, but this should
not prevent thinkers and genuine humanists from snooping into this
problem and ultimately obtaining a solution (Klevius: Yes, I do!). In
the West, it is only since the last two hundred years or so that
human right became a subject of eminence among the political and
social issues of Western society and an issue of fundamental
significance.
Peter Klevius: Please Mirza, you can't be that stupid! You're as
far you can get from the truth (perhaps not too surprising
considering you're trying to defend the biggest lie in the history of
the world). The process started long before islam even existed and
eventually developed into the 1948 Human Rights Declaration which
rests on an unbeatable logic that islam has never been even close to.
On the contrary, islam and its Sharia (in whatever form) always
restricts basic (negative*) Human Rights via (positive*) islamic
impositions.
* Whereas positive rights oblige or
open up for action/imposition, negative rights oblige inaction. If
you don't threaten the rights of others (as muslims do if they follow
Sharia) you shouldn't be bothered. Just as you shouldn't be bothered
by the police unless an offense against the law is suspected.
Negative rights include freedom of
speech and expression, freedom from violent crime, freedom of belief
(as long it doesn't affect Human Rights of others), habeas corpus, a
fair trial, freedom from slavery etc.
The right to private property has no
direct (only indirect – the right not to be robbed of one's
property) connection with negative Human Rights.
A negative right is a right not to be
subjected to an action of another person, religious group, a
government etc.
Moreover, this also includes
legislators, i.e. that a law that contradicts Human Rights cannot be
considered lawful.
And for those who try to circumvent the
logic of negative Human Rights by referring to enforcement or laws,
you don't understand that Human Rights are not laws but the very
basis for legislation.
How far the law can restrict Human
Rights is a matter between us humans but balanced by the underpinning
idea of negative Human Rights in much the same way as traffic rules
are tailored for the actual reality – not any specific ideology.
Traffic rules should be as smooth and democratic as possible for the
purpose of flow, safety etc. just as laws should be as little
intrusive on freedom as possible.
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig: During the last
few decades this prominence reached its peak in the West with the
formation of UN after the Second World War and the subsequent
drafting of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but we Muslims
know it very well that if the Western World and the Western
civilization have paid attention to this matter in the recent
centuries, Islam has dealt with it from all the various aspects of
Human Rights many centuries back.
Peter Klevius: Is a slave an equal? And is a muslim woman equal
to muslim man as according to Human Rights? Apart from paillaging, islam
has sponged on slaves and women for 1400 years!
Moreover, islam is an Arabic religion and Arabic islam is considered
superior to islam experienced via other languages. On top of that you
have the Sunnia Shia divide - not to mention all other branches
considered inferior or blasphemous by other muslims.
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig: The first thing
that we find in Islam in the correlation of basic human rights is
that it lays down some rights for man as a human being. In other
words, it means that every man whether he belongs to Muslim state or
not, whether he is a believer or unbeliever, whether he lives in some
forest or is found in some desert, whatever be the case, he has some
basic human rights just because he is a human being, which should be
recognized by every Muslim.
Peter Klevius: Well, that doesn't make any sense at all, does it.
Either you mean he (what about she) has to comply (as a Dhimmi) with
Sharia or he is a blasphemous infidel.
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig: The Security of
Life and Property:
The first and the foremost basic right
is the right to live and respect for human life. The Holy Quran says:
“Whosoever kills a human being (without any reason) manslaughter,
or corruption on earth, it is though he had killed all mankind”.
Peter Klevius: Why did you put the most important part "without any
reason" within brackets? Not complying with Sharia, or perhaps not being
a true muslim, or being an infidel standing in the way for islam, or
just an infidel who happens to have the wrong passport, belief etc. may
be such a reason. Not to mention the reason the 9/11 muslim terrorists
had to murder innocent people in the US just because they felt islam was
under attack from the West.
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig: The Protection
of Honor:
The Quran does not allow one’s
personal honor to be abused: “O you, who believe, do not let one
set of people make fun of other set. Do not defame one another. Do
not insult by using nicknames. Do not backbite”
Peter Klevius: No wonder muslims are over sensitive - not the least towards each others. Just check the news!
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig: The Right to Protest against Tyranny:
This is mentioned clearly in the Quran:
“God does not love evil talk in public unless it is by someone who
has been injured thereby”. This was acknowledged by Abu
Bakr, who said in his very first address: “Cooperate with me when I
am right, and correct me when I commit error. Obey me as long as I
follow the commandments of Allah and His Prophet, but turn away from
me when I deviate”.
Peter Klevius: Indeed, reminds me of the "Arab spring" and all those muslims who fight all those muslims who have "deviated".
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig: Freedom of
Expression:
Allah gave Adam liberty of free choice
between right and wrong. It is the same reference that Allah almighty
says in Quran: “Then He showed him what is wrong for him and what
is right for him”. Islam allows complete freedom of though and
expression, provided that it does not involve spreading that which is
harmful to individuals and the society at large. For example, the use
of abusive or offensive language in the name of criticism is not
allowed.
Peter Klevius: So how could criticism against islam under Sharia not be "abusive"?!
Mirza Abdul Aleem Baig: Equality before
the Law:
Islam gives it citizens the right to
absolute and complete equality in the eyes of the law. According to
Islamic concept of justice, absolutely no one is above the law. This
point was made in a very dramatic fashion by the Prophet himself. One
day, a women belonging to a high and noble family was arrested in
connection with a theft. The case was brought to the Prophet with the
recommendation that she be spare the mandated punishment for theft
(amputation of the hand). The Prophet replied: “The nations that
lived before you were destroyed by God because they punished the
common man for their offenses and let their dignitaries go unpunished
for their crimes. I swear by Him Who hold my life in His had that
even if Fatima, the daughter of Muhammad, had committed this crime, I
would have amputated her hand.”
Peter Klevius: These fairy tales are laughable, not only because
they are without any historical connection (not even mentioned in the
Koran), but, more importantly, because women are not even close to
equality with men in before the Law (Sharia). Moreover and again,
"before Abd al-Malik (caliph 685-705) Mohammed (allegedly dead 632) is
never mentioned on any official document whatsoever..."
Peter Klevius: The modern
democracies may rightly argue that the world is indebted to them for
establishing
the equality and freedom. These countries could take the credit for
introducing Human Rights and abolishing slavery (which is still
sanctioned in islam) and abolishing judicial discrimination of women
(except for in the US*). However, instead it seems that these countries
try to do their utmost to downplay these important achievements, and
instead they are supporting the very opposite.
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